Friday, September 24, 2004

More Clarification

"It is a commonplace but an important one that it is not science and technology that are fateful to man, but the uses to which they are put. When we speak of uses, we imply purposes and ends, goals and policies. We therewith find ourselves in the realm of values. The humanities, broadly speaking, are concerned with the exploration of this realm."--Sidney Hook

Nicholas, I challenge your assertion that science can't deal with emotion.
DESCARTES' BABY by Paul Bloom and NEWSWEEK magazine on "The New Science of Mind and Body" 27 September 2004 are good references.

On your pistis/faith/trust focus: Confucianism attempted to revitalize the failed Chou religion by making "li" ("ritual") a practical set of civil, secular behaviors. This would be supported by "ren" ("love/kindness") which involved perfecting one's character in the performance of family and cultural duties. Confucianism became a practical, down-to-earth ethos (non-transcendental) intended to stabilize society.

Buddhism was imported to China in the latter half of the 1st millennium c.e. partly to supply the transcendent needs that Confucianism had abandoned. Also, the failure of the Taoist alchemists to produce immortality in the here-and-now led people to look skyward again, seeking oblivion in Buddhist nirvana/nihilism: a permanent escape from consciousness.

I personally side with the physicalist/materialist Taoists. I think that's what the Transhumanists are doing when they promote Alcor, aging research, etc.

When I said that you and doc(logic) should declare a truce on the science/scientism dispute, I didn't mean you should not fight; I was suggesting (throwing a punch in the fight) that you both might be laboring over a distinction without a difference. You mentioned that scientisticians (or scientisticists) make negative statements about metaphysics. But F. Tipler seems to make positive statements about metaphysics. My question is: in the argument between Steven Weinberg and F. Tipler, who is the potter and who the pot. It seems to me that if the 7th century c.e. Taoist alchemist had produced immortality instead of gunpowder, there would be no argument. My source on Taoism is Joseph Needham's SCIENCE AND CIVILIZATION IN CHINA: Vol.II; Vol.V,parts 2,3,4,5,7 (especially 5 & 7).

I attack the Straussians Leon Kass, Michael Sandel, Fukuyama, and Daniel Callahan by updating Jonathan Swift and Nathaniel Hawthorne. A scenario I'm working on revises the script of the film "Charly" (based on the book FLOWERS FOR ALGERNON) by concluding when the planet Earth has become a giant biotech lab with 5 billion researchers working on life-extension.

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